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28th-Aug-2014 12:19 pm
Poll #1980179 Dissent

Generally speaking, if you think that your friends or followers on Livejournal, Facebook, Twitter or Tumblr will disagree with your point of view on a certain topic, are you less likely to post about that topic?


If you post about a topic, and someone in a reply tells you that you're wrong, which of the following statements do agree with more strongly?

As long as the criticism is respectful, people are free to disagee with me.
My blog (or whatever) is my space and I can post what I want. If people don't like it, it is rude of them to be critical of me.

Hypothetical 1: You are liberal or conservative (chose one) and post something which alligns with that philosophy. A person at the opposite end of the spectrum comments and tells you why they say you're wrong. Which of these two statements is closer to your response?

I welcome and invite opposing points of view.
Liberals/Conservatives (which ever you're not) are morons. Why are they even reading what I write and how dare they spread their bs here?

Hypothetical #2: One of your LJ or Facebook or Tumblr friends posts a calm, non-ranting, analysis about why they think Hitler was right about some things. Which of the following statements comes closest to how you feel about that?

I may not agree, but I respect everyone's right to their opinion.
No! Hitler was responsible for the holocaust and no sane person would ever say anything supportive of him.

28th-Aug-2014 08:31 pm (UTC)
lol no one ever seems to disagree with me
Am I doing something
Doesn't Matter
28th-Aug-2014 10:51 pm (UTC)
Me either. It disappoints me sometimes!
29th-Aug-2014 12:31 am (UTC)
That must be because you're never wrong.
28th-Aug-2014 10:50 pm (UTC)
That last question was hard to answer. Hitler must have been right about some things, like what tactics would achieve his goals, for a while, even though he was deadly wrong in his philosophy and ambitions. Still, I can't imagine why anyone would want to write such a post, unless it was purely in the context of historical analysis.

In general, a calm, reasoned analysis about anything can invite a reasoned response, and anyone participating has a chance at new understanding. Neither silence nor invective will lead to that.
29th-Aug-2014 12:44 am (UTC)
I just find it difficult to imagine that I would say something positive about Hitler, no matter how polite and well-reasoned the argument. I saw something like this happen in a workplace coffee room recently. A conservative-minded colleague started to suggest that "at first Hitler had some good ideas..." and a liberal-minded female colleague, who is also Jewish, became very irate at the suggestion. I think Hitler evokes such a visceral response, especially from those who have some ancestral connection to victims of the Holocaust, that this discussion may be a non-starter for a few more generations.

I also notice a difference between Livejournal for instance, where some effort is made to be civil toward one's "friends", and say, for example, discussion boards on news websites, where people can be very rude to those with a contrary view no matter how politely expressed. This is especially so if those commenting can do so anonymously. An exception in LJ might be the "ONTD" communities, where many people seem to equate rudeness with being part of the in-crowd. I avoid those communities like the plague.
29th-Aug-2014 02:06 am (UTC)
Oh, see, that's part of what I was wondering about regarding your question. I absolutely disagree that Hitler had any good ideas. What he did have were certain skills. Either one of those could arguably be included in "right about some things."

That said, if you can stomach a calm conversation with someone who said "at first Hitler had some good ideas," then you might be able to plant a few seeds of reason that might grow later. Or you might find out that they are not really a nice person.

The rudeness that happens on so many public comment threads drives me nuts. But I have occasionally been able to have a good conversation with someone when we were politely disagreeing.
29th-Aug-2014 03:06 am (UTC)
i don't know enough about post ww1 Germany and the rise of the Nazi party to know who had what idea.

Anti-semitism seems to be in political europe's genes
it breaks out periodically
i'm reading bout the Dreyfus Affair
it seems to go with far right politics which thrive on fear
29th-Aug-2014 04:04 am (UTC)
That last one about Hitler, I just don't know what to think. I guess I am somewhere in the middle on that one.
29th-Aug-2014 06:19 pm (UTC)
I purposely made that question difficult and left no room for wiggle room. I vacillated on that question myself.
29th-Aug-2014 07:41 am (UTC)
Those questions were a bit tricky...

I tend to try and friend people on LJ who are kind of on the same wavelink as I am. I do that because that's how I operate in RL. I don't want drama, I don't want people arguing with me all the time.

I couldn't be friends either on social media or in LR with (for example) a holocaust denyer. I wouldn't want to be their friend.

There was one person who used to comment on my posts in a somewhat negative way leading me to argue with her, but she hasn't commented for many months.
29th-Aug-2014 06:18 pm (UTC)
I purposely made the questions so as to leave no wiggle room. Even I had difficulty with some of them, especially the Hitler question.
1st-Sep-2014 10:16 am (UTC)
Anyone may post their opinion as long as it is not just blatant propaganda copy and pasted lol.
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