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5th-Oct-2010 09:17 pm
KungFu Pope
Tonight I went to an AA meeting in Florida, where there were a lot of people smoking. Back home, almost all meetings are non-smoking, and it felt weird being in the midst of all that cigarette smoke, being a non-smoker. I think that in Canada we're more anti-smoking, but that may just be based on stereotype and not fact.

Poll #1628210 Smokin'

Do you smoke (tobacco)?

Yes, but I'm trying to quit
Yes and I'm not trying to quit
No, but I used to
No and I never have
Something else (what?)

Select as many as apply to you

It's okay to smoke in my home
It's okay to smoke at my workplace
I go to bars that allow smoking
I patronize other businesses that allow smoking
I smoke in the presence of my kids
I'm allergic to cigarette smoke
I don't smoke but my spouse/partner/s.o. does
My home is completely non-smoking
My workplace is completely non-smoking
None of these statements apply to me

Do you support laws which require private businesses to have a non-smoking environment?

Yes in all circumstances
Only if it's a business that people have little choice but to go to
Something else (what?)
6th-Oct-2010 04:27 am (UTC)
I checked that I was allergic. In reality, I have another health problem that says I shouldn't be around cigarette smoke ever.
6th-Oct-2010 04:42 am (UTC)
There's actually a lot of anti smoking 'laws' in New Zealand, all workplaces are smokefree inside, all bars and restuarants are too.

Generally I'm fine with people who smoke...as long as they are considerate about it ie, sit down wind from you, and don't blow it directly in your face, or wave their cigarette in front of you. I don't own my own home, but my car is definitely smokefree.
6th-Oct-2010 04:42 am (UTC)
I understand that smoke bothers a lot of people but passing laws to limit smoking on private property seems to me to be counter to the right to private property conveyed in the Constitution. It should be up to the owner, not the government, whether to allow smoking or ban it.
6th-Oct-2010 05:05 am (UTC)
The opposite argument is that if you accept the science that second-hand smoke causes cancer and other illnesses, then the same government that protects property rights also has a duty to protect people from risk of harm. To use an extreme argument, my right to enjoy my private property doesn't allow me to commit criminal acts on that property. Advocates of anti-smoking legislation would argue that it's just another way that the government protects people from victimization.

The Libertarian would answer that people should be allowed to do illegal acts on one's own property, since others have a choice whether or not to enter onto that property and adults should have the right to perform risky behaviour on their own property, illegal or not, that puts only themselves at risk or others who voluntarily assume that risk.

The whole question makes for an interesting debate.
6th-Oct-2010 12:11 pm (UTC)
I can't stand walking down the street and having someone smoking in front of me, exhaling clouds of smoke that engulf me - utterly selfish and horrible. I've not met that many considerate smokers in my time. They all say: "I've got a right to smoke." Well, I have the right NOT to, so why subject me to your habit?! My husband is a smoker but he never does this, he never smokes walking down the street, he always ensures he's downwind of non-smokers, etc.

I hate seeing pregnant women smoking too.
6th-Oct-2010 12:49 pm (UTC)
I live in Toronto. I think every indoor public place is smoke free now.
6th-Oct-2010 05:56 pm (UTC)
re: the last question: "Only if it's a business that people have little choice but to go to"

That's almost all businesses--99.9%, I assume, if you include employees, which I absolutely believe you should. (except for self-employed smokers who run a small business with no employees.)
7th-Oct-2010 05:29 am (UTC)
I live in California where there are heavy regulations on where you can smoke and it is the best thing ever.
8th-Oct-2010 06:25 am (UTC)
Cigarette smoke really bothers me--makes me ill. It is not okay for people to stand just outside buildings where smoking is not permitted and smoke so that everyone walking in and out has to breathe it. I think smoking should be banned from all public spaces including parking lots.

I also can't stand to be around people who smoke. They also smell nauseatingly. I don't want anyone who smokes to come into my home. I find it rude when visitors who smoke come here and then spend all their time outside smoking and then coming in and stinking up my house. Ew.

This is not just me being annoyed. I have some other medical issues that make me sensitive to smells--it's not just cigarette smoke though that's one of the worst and the most prevalent. One whiff of cigarette smoke can ruin my day. Also, I think someone else's right to smoke ends with my right not to breathe it in. I quit smoking over 30 years ago, and I don't want to breathe even a little of it in now.
17th-Oct-2010 02:33 pm (UTC)
i think businesses should have the right to choose whether they want to make it anti-smoking or not. i do understand restaurants being smoke free, but i just dont get non-smoking bars. i never smoke inside a building unless its a bar or my house.

although i am a smoker with no plans or quitting, i am also respectful of the people around me, and will not do it if i know they have a problem with it.

i also think if you are outside, in the open air, there should not be signs telling you not to do it (unless of course there is an absolute reason for it, like chemicals, or something thats going to explode, etc).
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