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Pictures of the Body of Bin Laden 
7th-May-2011 04:00 pm
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Poll #1739084 OBL Pics

Should President Obama release the pictures of the body of Osama Bin Laden for the public to see?

Yes
14(18.4%)
No
48(63.2%)
I'm not sure
14(18.4%)

If the pictures of the body of Osama Bin Laden were made public, would you look at them?

Yes
31(41.3%)
No
31(41.3%)
I'm not sure
13(17.3%)
Comments 
7th-May-2011 11:15 pm (UTC)
If Osama Bin Laden was shot in the head, there's no way we would be able to tell it's him. That said, even if one could tell and if the photos were released I wouldn't want to see them.
8th-May-2011 12:21 am (UTC)
Good point. I originally put "not sure" for the answer to the first question in case there might be a legitimate reason to release the photos, but what you said removes all doubt for me. I'm going to change my answer to "no."

And I'm with you; I have no interest in looking at them. The man is dead and unable to harm another person, so let the whole thing rest now.
8th-May-2011 12:01 am (UTC)
I agree with everything that he's said about it being disrespectful -- the US can at least be the better person here by not echoing al Qaida in putting gruesome images all over the internet and such.
8th-May-2011 12:38 am (UTC)
Like how thoughtful they were with the videos of Americans being decapitated?
8th-May-2011 12:41 am (UTC)
...I think you misunderstand me. Them putting out all those videos was gruesome and disrespectful, as I said; putting out photos of Osama's corpse would just be stooping to their level.
8th-May-2011 12:54 am (UTC)
Ah. On that, I would have to agree.
8th-May-2011 12:38 am (UTC)
Even if they could procure a body, which I'm sure they could or photoshop one, I wouldn't believe it to be anything other than a conspiracy. The timing is just too perfect, among other reasons.
8th-May-2011 12:43 am (UTC)
What, then, are your thoughts on the statement put out by al Qaida confirming his death?
8th-May-2011 12:58 am (UTC)
I know no one from any of the places Osama has been said to reside, so I cannot be sure it isn't all just fabricated by the United States government. Al Qaida included. We really are blinded to the rest of the world, even with the Internet. Eventually, the United States will only be able to communicate with those within our own country. Other places will be blocked. It's already starting.

Beware the savage jaw of 1984
8th-May-2011 09:00 pm (UTC)
...You do realize that if he was lying about this it would come back later and bite him and the entire country in the ass in a really big-time, probably fatal-to-thousands way, right? Do you really think so many people would support such a thing? And how would it serve al Qaida to confirm bin Laden's death and not trumpet to all who'd listen that it was just more filthy American lies?

As for the 1984 thing... As long as you (and thousands of other government critics) can post that sort of sentiment without reprisal, I can only regard it with great skepticism. While the United States doesn't have the greatest track record on transparent or reliable government, the situation is far better here than, say, China or Iran.
8th-May-2011 11:35 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I am a student of history, and as George Santaya said, those who do not learn from the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it.

1846: President Polk tells Congress that Mexican troops had attacked Americans on US soil. (It was later learned that it was really on disputed territory. Only Congressman Abraham Lincoln protested and he was ostracized for it.)
1898: President McKinley begins the Spanish-American War telling Congress that the Maine was sunk by a Spanish mine. It was really an internal malfunction on the ship.
1964: President Johnson tells Congress that the Maddox was fired on by North Vietnamese torpedos. It was later disclosed that the incident never happened and there weren't any NV boats in the area.
1973: President Nixon denies any knowledge of a Watergate coverup. Nixon later resigns rather than face impeachment over the incident.
1998: President Clinton tells the public "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." We all know how that turned out.
2003: President Bush tells Congress that reliable intelligence suggests that Iraq is developing weapons of mass destruction, when a prior investigation by Ambassador Joseph Wilson had discounted that intelligence.

Sorry to be so long winded, but my point is that a certain amount of public skepticism is probably a healthy thing.
9th-May-2011 04:51 am (UTC)
In defense of god-knows-what, Clinton's lie really didn't have anything to do with running the government. I just find it weird when people act like cheating on your wife has anything to do with the ability to run a country. Yeah, it made him a douchebag, but it didn't remotely compare to anything else on that list.
9th-May-2011 04:52 am (UTC)
Thank you.
9th-May-2011 04:09 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. Teddy Roosevelt once said "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct... Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

(Sorry, the history geek in me got carried away again.)
9th-May-2011 04:50 am (UTC)
The reason crackpots like I are allowed to speak our minds is because the majority thinks we're just crazy.
8th-May-2011 05:40 pm (UTC)
How is the timing too perfect? What are the other reasons, beyond rampant paranoia?
8th-May-2011 05:53 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, ever since Nixon, people no longer trust their government, and are probably justified in doing so. (Historically for example, even before Nixon, Presidents James K. Polk, William McKinley and Lyndon Johnson all falsely spun incidents as being a reason to go to war. And later there was that whole "Saddam has WMD" thing.) People only call it paranoia until the truth comes out that what has been reported really isn't what happened. (Like in the cases of the sinking of the Maine or the Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate of the case for WMD for example.) Why not have transparency like Obama campaigned on?
8th-May-2011 06:26 pm (UTC)
People only call it paranoia until the truth comes out that what has been reported really isn't what happened.

The definition of paranoia hasn't changed. It cannot be dignified by comparing it to a healthy skepticism, which it is not.



Edited at 2011-05-08 06:26 pm (UTC)
9th-May-2011 04:51 am (UTC)
The timing is perfect because "killing" Osama detracts attention from the things that are falling apart.
8th-May-2011 01:45 am (UTC)
I don't really care about some photos of a body with a blown-away head.
8th-May-2011 07:33 am (UTC)
I'm in the minority on both of these questions. I said yes to the first because I support the notion of transparency in government. Showing the pictures might dispel some of the conspiracy theories, though I realize that nothing would please many of those people. Having said this however, I think that those who adopt the opposite argument also have a valid position, i.e. that releasing the pictures might serve as a motivator to Al Queda (or, as President Obama put it, it would be like "spiking the ball after a touchdown."

On the second point, I'm not a fan of blood and gore, I just think that, being honest, curiosity would get the better of me and I'd want to see the pictures.
9th-May-2011 04:46 am (UTC)
Eh, Al Qaeda's already said they're going to crack down even harder on the US, so we might as well spike the ball, you know? They're gonna hit us either way, might as well get some gloating in before we all die.
8th-May-2011 05:30 pm (UTC)
yes to both, i have train wreck syndrome.
9th-May-2011 04:45 am (UTC)
First question needs a "Don't care" option, but I'd definitely look at the pictures. I mean...if not voluntarily, then because they'd be posted all over my friends' page by omg_too_soon and wtf_inc.
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