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Arizona's New Immigration Law 
22nd-May-2010 10:38 am
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Its technical name is "The Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act." It is a law passed by the Arizona state legislature which comes into effect on July 28, 2010. Under the new law it is a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying registration documents required by federal law.

Under the law, police are required to make an attempt, when practicable, to determine a person's immigration status if there is reasonable suspicion that the person is an illegal alien during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official." Police may arrest a person if there is probable cause that the person is an alien not in possession of required registration documents and a person arrested cannot be released without confirmation of the person's legal immigration status by the federal government.

A person is "presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States" if he or she presents any of the following four forms of identification:

(a) a valid Arizona driver license;
(b) a valid Arizona nonoperating identification license;
(c) a valid tribal enrollment card or other tribal identification; or
(d) any valid federal, state, or local government-issued identification, if the issuer requires proof of legal presence in the United States as a condition of issuance

There are other interesting provisions of the law, but this intro is already getting to be too long.

Poll #1568035 Arizona's Immigration Law

How much do you know about Arizona's new immigration law?

A lot
8(16.0%)
Some, but not a lot
21(42.0%)
A little
11(22.0%)
Not very much
4(8.0%)
Almost nothing
3(6.0%)
Nothing at all
3(6.0%)

From what you know about Arizona's immigration law, do you support or oppose it?

I strongly support the new law
6(12.0%)
I somewhat support the new law
5(10.0%)
I'm not sure what to make of the new law
6(12.0%)
I somewhat oppose the new law
9(18.0%)
I strongly oppose the new law
22(44.0%)
Something else (what?)
2(4.0%)

If the law is in force in 2011, do you thing major league baseball players should refuse to play in the All-Star game, currently scheduled to be held in Phoenix?

Yes
16(32.7%)
No
18(36.7%)
I'm not sure
13(26.5%)
Something else (what?)
2(4.1%)

Which of the following statements do you agree with?

This law will encourage racial profiling
0(0.0%)
It is fundimentally wrong to be able to require someone to carry proof of citizenship, whether they are a US citizen or not
0(0.0%)
There is nothing wrong with requiring people to carry proof of citizenship whether they are a US citizen or not.
0(0.0%)
It is fundamentally wrong to require persons who are not US citizens to carry proof of citizenship while in public
0(0.0%)
There is nothing wrong with requiring non US citizens to carry proof of citizenship while in public.
0(0.0%)
It is fundamentally wrong to require someone to produce their proof of citizenship on request
0(0.0%)
There is nothing wrong with requiring someone to produce their proof of citizenship on request.
0(0.0%)
It is fundamentally wrong for police to require someone to produce proof of citizenship if the police officer suspects that the person is an illegal alien
0(0.0%)
Arizona's new immigration law is racist
0(0.0%)
Arizonans have a legitimate reason to be concerned about illegal immigration and this law doesn't go too far in addressing that concern
0(0.0%)
Arizonans have a legitimate reason to be concerned about illegal immigration but this law goes too far in addressing that concern
0(0.0%)
People who don't live in Arizona and who don't live with the problems of illegal immigration that Arizonans do should mind their own business
0(0.0%)
President Obama is right in calling this law "misguided."
0(0.0%)
President Obama is wrong in calling this law misguided.
0(0.0%)
This law will positively address the problems caused by illegal immigration.
0(0.0%)
This law is just political window dressing and won't make a difference in the problems caused by illegal immigration.
0(0.0%)
This law will make things worse for Arizona by hurting tourism and giving the state a bad reputation.
0(0.0%)
I don't agree with any of these statements
0(0.0%)
Comments 
22nd-May-2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
I honestly know very little about this law and so I'm not qualified to vote in this poll.

However... going on what little I do know, I object to it. And one reason for that, aside from the obvious civil rights issues (and I can just see it getting ugly with the racial profiling), is that if you become a victim of identity theft, you're pretty much stuck without documentation. This happened to my mom when her wallet got stolen last fall, and she lost everything that was in it, her social security card, her birth certificate, her driver's license, everything. And to get these replaced was a nightmare because she had to have one of these pieces of ID just to get another one back. It's a catch-22 thing. She eventually was able to get them replaced, but again, it was a big headache for her.

I can't even begin to imagine how much more difficult it would have been for her were this law in effect in our state and she were a legal immigrant and/or didn't look "white" (my apologies if that sounds offensive, but I can't think of a better or more sensitive way to say it; if someone can help me here, I'd appreciate it). And I'm afraid that this is what's going to happen to legal immigrants, etc., in Arizona who are victims of identity theft. =(

Edited at 2010-05-22 06:07 pm (UTC)
22nd-May-2010 06:17 pm (UTC)
As a permanent resident from Canada in the US living in Arizona, I am behind the general idea that this law gets at. The main issue I have is when a US Citizen is asked for papers and when he/she cannot produce them are then taken to a ICE detention facility until proven otherwise. That, on a constitutional level, is essentially false arrest and lawsuits are going to happen on a constitutional basis.

I fully expect to carry my green card at all times, and will probably expect to produce it more than I want to; however, I worked really, really hard to earn that card and while I am not behind racial profiling or what have you, I am behind a crack-down on illegal immigration which directly impacts what extra hoops I have to go to in order to be considered "legal" in the US.
22nd-May-2010 06:19 pm (UTC)
But what would you do if it gets lost, accidentally destroyed (via a fire or water damage, as I've had happen to so many of my other cards/documents), or -- worst of all -- stolen?

That's the point I was making in my comment above. That's what I'm afraid for.

Edited at 2010-05-22 06:22 pm (UTC)
22nd-May-2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
This is one of my beefs with the law too. Most countries do not keep a consulate or embassy in the state of Arizona, so they would either have to travel illegally to obtain new identification, or never go outside until their replacement documents are received in the mail. The law makes no provisions for this - if your legal documentation is unavailable for any reason, you are presumed to be present illegally. As stevieg pointed out, people captured under this law are not sent to jail. In ICE detention facilities you are presumed to have no rights, no entitlement to a lawyer, and you will not receive bail.
22nd-May-2010 07:21 pm (UTC)
0_0;; I had no idea about all of this, but that's just downright scary to think about. Didn't these lawmakers even take that very real possibility into consideration?!
23rd-May-2010 07:27 am (UTC)
Of course they did; they just don't care about That Kind Of Person. You can see this almost everywhere this issue comes up - people are judged to be Not Murrican, and that somehow makes them lose their human rights.
22nd-May-2010 08:01 pm (UTC)
I said it was wrong to require anyone to produce proof of citizenship on request, but what I meant was, it's wrong to stop people solely for that reason unless there are other issues. I.E. if someone is arrested for some other crime, obviously it would make sense to require some proof of citizenship and I assume that's something the police would find in an investigation.

My understanding of the law is that police officers are supposed to ask for identification and proof of citizenship from anyone who seems like they might be an illegal alien and that the police officers and/or local police departments can get into trouble if they don't. There are just so many problems with this that I'm horrified that they even passed this law.

I think this is just a racist, politically motivated law that will do nothing except cause undue harassment of legal citizens who happen to be Hispanic.
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23rd-May-2010 12:36 am (UTC)
What happens when I can't show ID because I forgot my wallet? Am I just a guy that forgot his wallet, or am I a guy suspected of being in the country illegally?
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